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Wy bones sound late (stuff to read)


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This article is
fairly lengthy and has been accepted for publication in the ITA 
Journal
(International Trombone Association). Consider its appearance on this
list as an opportunity for "peer review" and as a chance for those of
us who use cyberspace to have an advance view and a chance to put in
our 2 cents. Lawrence Borden. 
 
 
April 27, 1993
Lawrence Borden
721 Boscobel Street
Nashville, TN 37206
Fon (615) 255-4191
Fax (615) 259-2753
Internet:  Bordenll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
 
 
	     Why Trombones 'Sound' Late
 
 
 
All trombone players have had to hear about being late, we 
have done battle with this demon and have blamed a wide 
variety of causes. "You're late!" is still heard even as the 
players struggle to correct the problem. Of course this 
problem is not unique to trombones, it is common to many of 
the instruments in a band or orchestra and the problems and 
solutions are often similar.
 
In order to understand these problems and suggest some 
solutions it is necessary to examine some of the factors 
that go into the production of sound and human perception of 
musical tone.  Any examination of the fascinating set of 
problems relating to lateness covers a wide variety of 
fields including physics, acoustics, instrument design, 
psychology, conducting technique, tradition, and methods of 
practice and pedagogy. Because musicians find themselves 
using the explanation "It's the distance!" the first stop 
should be the simple examination of the actual delay time 
caused by distance.
 
The speed of sound at sea level, 68 degrees F is 1129 
ft./sec. The distance from the trombone section to the 
podium in the Nashville Symphony Orchestra was measured and 
found to be about 35 feet.(1)   Conversations with 
colleagues in other orchestras reveals that this distance 
typically varies between 25 feet and 40 feet. The two charts 
illustrate the effect of distance from the conductor. In 
Chart B the length of various notess (at four different 
tempi) is calculated in both traditional notation and in 
terms of milliseconds. One quarter notes at a tempo of 60 
beats per minute is equal to 1000 milliseconds. In Chart A 
the delay time from the trombones to the podium is 
calculated. This is the calculation for direct transmission 
and is the minimum time required for sound to travel from 
the trombones to the podium. 
 
There is really nothing that can be done about this time 
delay except play with some clairvoyance. Having to 
anticipate the rest of the orchestra consistently by even 
this small amount would certainly result in many trombonists 
looking for other work! This amount of delay is actually not 
a very great component of the lag time typical in many 
orchestras. At a distance of 35 feet this delay is about 31 
milliseconds and at a tempo of 120 beats per minute this is 
almost exactly equivalent to a 64th notes.(2)  Fortunately 
for us there exists the phenomenon of the 'precedence 
effect'.  This is a neurological effect where the brain is 
capable of gathering data about a set of impulsive sounds 
being heard and combining this information into a single 
perception. The precedence effect allows us to hear similar 
types of sonic events with fast onset that occur as much as 
35 milliseconds apart as a single event.(3)  As a result of 
the precedence effect a 31 millisecond delay might not be 
heard as inaccurate even though the precedence effect is 
less effective in most practical situations where there is a 
mixture of types of sounds (for example, string sounds and 
brass sounds).(4)  The problem is made worse when this 
unavoidable delay is magnified by combination with other 
factors. What are some other factors that might contribute 
to making it so hard to play "on time"? 
 
 
 
Imprecise or inconsistent conducting 
	A beat pattern that is too large, too small, 
inconsistent in pattern, upbeats that are not in the same 
tempo as the downbeat, beats that occur low enough so it is 
impossible to see the rebound point, a broad sweeping beat 
without a rebound point, erratic beat size, accellerandi and 
ritandi that are sudden or lumpy; these make any 
anticipation almost impossible. Without the ability to 
depend on the conductor to deliver consistent placement of 
the beat the players cannot play by sight and must wait 
until after the beat to play.
 
Excessive distance from the conductor 
	A deep seating arrangement makes it difficult to react 
quickly. It increases the basic time required for the sound 
to travel both to and from the back of the orchestra and 
increases the difference between what is heard as the beat 
and what is seen as the beat. Communication within the 
orchestra becomes more difficult as the orchestra occupies a 
larger and larger area. 
 
Excessive distance from the back wall   
	At low and medium tessituras the trombone has an 
extremely high component of its sound which is radiated 
toward the back wall from the bell. Up to about 400 hertz 
(G4) the sound is essentially omnidirectional.(5)  When the 
back wall of the shell is far away a great deal of distance 
is added to the total sound path and causes the listener to 
hear reflected components of the sound arrive much later. If 
the back wall is 10 feet behind the low brass then by using 
Chart A we can see that the minimum delay is still only 31 
milliseconds for the direct first arrival of sound, but the 
onset of the first reflected sound arrives at the front of 
the orchestra about 18 milliseconds after the first direct 
sound. Since the precedence effect will accumulate 
information for a small fraction of a second for integration 
in the brain, an echo will probably not be heard in this 
case, even though the effect is for the onset (or attack) to 
be 'spread' over a time of 18 milliseconds. If the distance 
between the brass and the back wall is great enough the 
listener might hear this added time component as part of the 
unique sound of the concert hall or perhaps lateness on the 
part of the brass.  This is a case in which the precedence 
effect would fail to cover the differences between the first 
arrival of sound and subsequent echoes. Distance added to 
the path of reflected sound blurs the arrival of the 
complete orchestral sound.
 
Playing by ear rather than by sight
	When not playing with the conductor's gestures (by 
sight), but instead by what we hear (by ear) it is necessary 
to add the time it takes for the sound of the rest of the 
orchestra to reach you to the raw time of transmission to 
the front of the orchestra (plus the time necessary for you 
to react to it). 
 
Lack of a  concert 'home'
	It takes time and effort to learn to compensate for the 
various factors that cause an audible delay. It seems 
reasonable to theorize that it takes much more time if you 
have to do it in several different concert venues. Having 
the same 'home' for the orchestra's concerts and rehearsals 
makes it possible for the players to experiment with timing 
adjustments. Especially valuable in making these adjustments 
are recordings made by the orchestra that can contribute to 
an understanding of the orchestral sound in its primary 
acoustical home. However, many recordings are made with the 
microphones placed quite close to the orchestra and not out 
in the hall where the audience hears it. Although this is 
good recording technique there is a difference between what 
the audience hears and what a stereo microphone records. 
Care must be taken in studying the orchestral sound based 
only on recordings.  It is quite possible to learn the 
appropriate compensations for several different acoustic 
spaces and experienced players are able to adapt well known 
timing solutions to new situations.
 
Use of sound shields I
	The use of large sound shields (usually clear acrylic 
plastic) between the brass, strings and/or woodwinds 
increases the quantity of sound reflected from the back wall 
because of primary reflections from the shield. The larger 
the shield the greater the reflection. This elongation of 
the sound path changes the quality of the sound and blurs 
the arrival time. Using the previous example of an attack 
spread over 18 milliseconds you might now add another time 
component (a much weaker one as it will be reflected at 
least twice) for sound leaving the bell of a trombone 
bouncing off a plastic shield ten feet in front of the brass 
and then off the back wall of the shell ten feet behind the 
brass. This adds 40 feet of distance to the sound path. 
Chart A shows us that at a total distance of 75 feet the 
delay time is about 66 milliseconds. Now a direct component 
arrives in 31 milliseconds as before, the echo delay would 
be 35 milliseconds. Since human hearing can still only 
accumulate and integrate the first  approximately 35 
milliseconds of difference the remainder will be heard as 
aggregate lateness and/or the sound of the acoustic space. 
This secondary reflected component of sound is very possibly 
obscured by the length of the played notes itself, its loss 
of energy by two reflections, and the inverse square 
law.(6)  It is nevertheless there and has a role in 
producing a sense of 'lateness'. An added problem is that 
although the echo delay for the low brass would be 35 
milliseconds in this case it is actually 66 milliseconds 
later than the arrival of sound from the first desk of 
violins! 66 milliseconds is a very long time in music. Chart 
C shows us that 66 milliseconds is a little longer than a 
32nd notes at a metronome marking of 120 beats per minute. 
 
	It is very important to understand that the ability of 
the human ear to pick out a single sound or timbre from as 
complex a system of sounds as an orchestra is dependent on 
the first arrival of the sound direct from the source. 
Perception of this 'first sound' is the basis on which we 
are able to correctly interpret the series of echoes and 
reflections that follow.(7) 
 
	These shields also give a false impression of balance 
within the orchestra and can produce destructive 
interference phenomena. Large flat plastic surfaces also 
reflect the sounds of other players on stage in a manner 
that is very unnatural.(8)  The shields used in the 
Nashville Symphony Orchestra are particularly large, 4 feet 
wide and 4 and 5 feet high.  When placed in front of the 
brass and angled so that the shields are not perpendicular 
to the axis of the brass instruments, nearby string players 
are often exposed to not only the direct sound of the brass, 
but also additional reflected sound!
 
Use of sound shields II
	Shields in front of the brass section prevent some of 
the sound of the orchestra from reaching the brass. What can 
be heard is a mixture of direct and reflected sound. Simply 
stated it means that the time required for the sound of the 
rest of the orchestra to reach the brass is increased. This 
reduction in aural intimacy strongly implies reduced 
communication on stage. Although sound shields may be clear 
barriers that attempt to protect the hearing of the 
orchestra members seated in front of the brass they also 
make it more difficult than it already is to hear the subtle 
nuances in the strings (and to pick up on that already 
optimistic cue in the 2nd trombone part attributed to the 
3rd stand outside 1st violin in a tutti orchestra passage!). 
The sense of isolation produced by plastic shields is a door 
that swings both ways and simply does not help the orchestra 
play together.
 
	Do sound shields actually protect the hearing of 
players already sitting at least 10 feet in front of the 
brass from damage over the long term? It is probably too 
soon to give a definitive answer to that question in the 
context of a professional symphony orchestra, but it is 
possible to speculate that the easy and uncontrolled 
availability of such shields guarantees their use in spite 
of any problems they might cause. We need to remember that 
only small shields are needed if they are properly placed 
and that shields are not very effective if placed more than 
a few inches from the ears of the person(s) being protected. 
After all it is ears we wish to protect from excessive sound 
pressure, not feet!
 
Improper practice with the metronome
	Since it is generally desirable to spend some fraction 
of practice time working with a metronome it is common to 
hear brass players tend to play just behind the 'tick' of 
the metronome.  Playing right with the sound makes it almost 
impossible for brass players to hear the 'tick' unless it is 
amplified. We have learned to play in time, but behind the 
time by a discrete interval.(9)  The parameters of this 
discrete delay and its effects are under investigation. 
 
Fear of 'biffing in'.
	This one is called 'keeping your job' and it is to be 
expected that we want correct entrances with our colleagues 
in the brass section. Experience and confidence, what 
teachers call conviction, help minimize this factor, but all 
players want the reassuring feel of being 'in' the sound 
rather than risk being ahead of it. If players are 'in' the 
sound, time is being added to the interval it takes for 
sound to arrive at the front of the orchestra. It helps 
greatly to be 'on top of the beat' and therefore at the 
front of the orchestral sound around you. If the entire 
brass section is playing together it is, unfortunately, not 
a guarantee that they are anywhere near the 'top of the 
beat' so it is clear that a brass section must both be 
together and 'on top of the beat' in order to on time.
 
Shape of the sound envelope
	Poor sound production technique, such as a delayed 
start to a notes, a weak attack, or one that is essentially 
legato in nature, is perceived by a listener as blooming; 
full volume achieved well after intended beginning of the 
attack. Efficient and immediate physical function when the 
brain demands that a notes be played and a good front to the 
attack are necessary to counteract this. Attacks of 
trombones are generally less immediate and energetic than 
the attacks of trumpets. Instrument design criteria, such as 
the formulation, thickness and tempering of the brass used 
in the bell as well as the treatment of the bell edge, also 
affect the response curve. (A substantial change in response 
characteristics occurs depending on whether the bell wire is 
pressed in place or soldered in place!) In the same vein, 
different mouthpiece and leadpipe (mouthpipe) designs and 
combinations also can cause substantial variance in the 
shape of the attack envelope. 
 
	Trombones, tubas and horns are also often heard as 
behind the trumpets for psychoacoustical reasons, even if 
tones are actually started at the same instant. The time 
required for the buildup of a complex tone is only one of 
several highly technical physical and psychoacoustic 
phenomena that enter into the problem of lateness.
 
Precursors
	Precursors are those things that we do in order to feel 
ready to play, but have little or nothing to do with 
actually playing. Several examples might include conducting 
oneself for a downbeat, moving the slide back and forth 
several times just before playing a notes, or licking the 
lips 2 or 3 times before we play. If you are playing alone 
who are you conducting? If your slide does not work then it 
is too late to fix it the instant before you play. One lick 
might be necessary to moisten the lips but the rest have no 
practical purpose. These are simply unnecessary habits that 
take time and make quick reaction feel very uncomfortable 
and unnatural if omitted. When precursors are ruthlessly 
eliminated so that the player can demand and get a notes 
started with no delay, a major factor contributing to 
'lateness' is eliminated. Elimination of precursors allows 
for extremely quick responses to the wide range of stimuli 
we must react to when performing, including our spontaneous 
musical inspirations.
 
Late entries after breathing
	It seems a fairly normal thing to hear brass players 
lose time when they take a breath. This is a lack of 
awareness by the individual player that breathing takes a 
discrete amount of time combined with the ease with which we 
are able stretch our sense of internal time. It is necessary 
to minimize the time spent taking in air and it is not 
always possible to add extra time to the flow of the music. 
Sometimes we simply grow careless and other times we have 
demanding music that allows us very little chance to 
breathe. In any case, it is important to manage the 
inhalation so that the following notess are not late.
 
Aural discrimination I 
	There are at least two factors here that contribute to 
"lateness". The first is that below a certain minimum 
threshold the human hear hears just one sound event, even if 
there are actually more than one. This minimum threshold of 
time is about 1-2 milliseconds when click stimuli are used 
in laboratory conditions.(10)  With longer stimuli (such as 
notess) the echo threshold can be 20 milliseconds or 
longer.(11)  A 30 millisecond figure is given as lower 
limit for the aural discrimination of cardiologists 
listening to heart sounds. Even though some of the heart 
sounds are very sharp (mitral valve snap),(12)  it is a 
less than perfect listening environment. For practical 
purposes a value of 25 milliseconds has been chosen as a 
practical lower limit to echo threshold discrimination, 
especially if we are going to ignore frequency and volume as 
factors that will alter this result. This limit is 
represented in Chart C by the grey shaded area. The second 
factor is that at lower frequencies the ear is less 
sensitive than at higher frequencies.(13)   In the first 
case we actually get a bit of help since tiny errors in 
"lateness" might fall below this discrimination threshold 
and we have the precedence effect helping as well. In the 
second case the low brass have a problem tied to the 
physiology and psychophysics of hearing,(14)  especially 
when playing in the lower register.
 
Aural discrimination II
	When a brass instrument begins a notes, time is required 
to reach the peak volume of the notes (this is called 
'onset'). Stimulation of an auditory nerve fibre as a 
physiological response to the presence of a sound takes a 
minimum of time and energy.(15)  A vibration must reach a 
minimum set of values in pitch, sound pressure and length 
before the neurons are fired and there can be any neural 
stimulus that is perceived as sound.(16)  This component is 
very small, but it is there and it is affected by factors 
such as pitch and spectral color.
 
Playing into the stand
	Even though the sound of the trombone is essentially 
omnidirectional through most of its range, placing a music 
stand between the bell and the front of the orchestra causes 
a reduction in the amount of the initial wave front that 
arrives at the front of the orchestra. Since the stand is so 
close to the sound source it is possible that a significant 
sound shadow can be produced, especially in the high 
register. Much of the sound is bounced off of the floor and 
other nearby surfaces and arrives fairly directly, but there 
is a dual additional effect. First, the component of the 
sound that is reflected from the stand adds to the 
elongation of the sound path and second, there is the 
possibility that the sound spectra might be affected by the 
repeated absorption and reflection. It would be easy to say 
that the biggest detriment to playing into a stand is heard 
when the members of a trombone section cannot agree on 
whether they should or should not all play into the stand 
for the sake of consistency. The truth is that it is 
slightly less important whether the bass trombone plays into 
the stand. This is because the bass trombone sound is almost 
always omnidirectional in nature due to its tessitura and 
because the wavelengths of pitches in the general bass 
trombone register are much greater than the physical 
dimensions of the stand.(17)  As a result less 'shadow 
effect' is present.(18)  The greater effects of a bass 
trombone playing into a stand might be those that alter the 
spectral color of the bass trombone sound and the visual 
impact on the audience/conductor. It should be notesd that 
playing into the stand would theoretically be an even 
greater problem for trumpets except that they tend to have 
their stands lower since they need not make room beneath the 
stand for the slide. They tend to play over, or around, the 
stand and avoid this problem.
 
	There is also another problem associated with playing 
into the music stand. When the sound of the instrument is 
instantly reflected to the player it can be argued that the 
player is reacting to strong sonic cues not related to the 
acoustic space when attempting to adjust for 'lateness' and 
for balance within the orchestra.  Adding this factor to the 
false sense of volume and spectral color that is produced by 
such a close reflective surface it seems obvious that not 
playing into the stand at all, or at the very least moving 
it as far away as is practical, is preferred for all members 
of the trombone section.
 
A minimum time is necessary to generate a standing wave in 
the instrument
	The mass of measurements and theory on this subject is 
far too complex for the purpose of this article so I will 
just say that the mass of air, pliability of the lip, method 
and energy with which air is supplied to the lip reed, the 
overall length of the instrument, and the efficiency of the 
instrument design are all factors that affect the time it 
takes for a notes to be generated. No matter how hard we try, 
it does take time to start a notes, but once again this 
effect does not have to be exaggerated by the poor, slow, or 
stuttered beginning of a notes due to inattention or poor 
function.
 
We hear it late in our minds and accept it
	Most important is whether or not we clearly imagine 
what we want to sound like. This goes for brass sections 
just as well as for any individual player. We have grown to 
accept lateness as a norm, but the amount of lateness that 
is heard as acceptable is much greater than it needs to be. 
As the charts show the first sound can be heard no more than 
31 milliseconds late if we play by sight and without other 
compensating anticipation. That is far less delay than that 
found in many orchestras and is at least partly compensated 
for by the precedence effect. Although there are many other 
physical adjustments that can be made to the whole process 
of playing it is the willingness to allow ourselves to hear 
the truth of our performance and an honest willingness to 
change that will make the most difference.
 
If you have an 'on time' sound in your imagination you will 
unconsciously make the adjustments that are necessary to 
make the imagined sound real. This principle is true when 
applied to the problem of lateness and true when applied to 
the work of producing a singing tone or fine accurate 
technique. It is endless dedication to musical idea(l)s 
which makes our art satisfying and engrossing. It is the 
music which we must ultimately serve.
 
 
It is fortunate that many of these problems are common to 
all the players in the orchestra. For example; the problem 
posed by simple distance is blurred by the reflections of 
sound in the shell and the fact that instruments closer to 
the podium than the trombones are also late, but by a 
smaller amount. Sound arrives as a part of an envelope 
beginning with the violin and viola desks under the 
conductor's nose and ending with the tuba, percussion and 
finally the reflected sound in the concert hall itself. The 
sound of instruments in the middle of the orchestra arrive 
between these extremes and this helps blur perception of 
lateness.
 
The delay problem can actually be worse for some players of 
instruments other than low brass within the orchestra.  
Although the horns have a longer sound path than any of the 
other brass because of the backward pointing bells and the 
distance between the basses and the percussion section can 
be as much as 80 feet in some orchestras!  Add the other 
factors and it is amazing that we sound like we are together 
at all. In fact, it is clear that we already effectively 
employ a variety of both conscious and unconscious remedies 
for lateness. 
 
One interesting attempt to resolve this problem has been to 
have the entire orchestra play well behind the beat of the 
conductor (I am personally reminded of Guy Frasier Harrison 
in Oklahoma City and Eugene Ormandy in Philadelphia). In 
this way it is possible to gauge the interval of response 
(after much practice) and for the front and rear of the 
orchestra to respond at different times as necessary for all 
the sound to arrive at once. There are many disadvantages to 
this method and it is quite an understatement to say that 
this solution is not recommended. 
 
Experience shows us that we can anticipate by an appropriate 
amount if the tempo is steady and we make a concerted effort 
to stay on the 'front of the beat'. Of course this is much 
more difficult to do when the tempo is changing. Clear, 
pointed attacks help a great deal as does a near rear wall, 
excellent conducting technique, minimal distance from front 
to back in the orchestra, absence of sound shields, playing 
exclusively by sight, playing to the side of the stand, and 
nearly instantaneous physical response. It takes a great 
deal of effort to move a brass section toward this way of 
playing and it requires consistent effort both on the part 
of the players and the conductor, but the rewards are 
certainly worth it. 
 
At least we can understand most of the main components of 
this problem. It would be nice to be able to plead that 
'it's the distance' and be done with it. Unfortunately, by 
itself, the calculated delay is not nearly as much as we 
might have hoped!  We must work to compensate for the 
physical, acoustic and psychoacoustic elements of lateness 
so that the sound of the orchestra as a whole can have 
maximum clarity, beauty, and impact.
 
 
 
endnotess:
 
1 With 12 ft. of sonic no-man's-land in front of 
the low brass before seating for violas and celli begins.
 
2 Chart B
 
3 Arthur H. Benade, Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics  
New York: Oxford University Press, 1976), 204.
 
4 It is fascinating to speculate as to why the brain 
retains the ability to collect data on sounds over periods 
ranging from 1 to 70 milliseconds depending on a variety 
of conditions associated with the sonic events. 
 
5 Jurgen Meyer, Acoustics and the Performance of Music 
(Frankfort am Main: Verlag Das Musikinstrument, 1978), 89.
 
6 The inverse square law states that as the distance 
increases the energy decreases at an accellerated rate. 
For example, for a given unit of energy on 1/4th of the 
energy is present at 2 units of distance and only 1/9th 
of the energy is present at 3 units of distance and 
1/16th at 4 units of distance. { E=1/(D^2) }. The design 
of acoustic spaces is an effort in large part to diminsh 
the effect of the inverse square law at the distance of 
the audience by controlling the reflective and absorbtive 
qualities of the acoustic space.
 
7 Juan G. Roederer, Introduction to the Physics and 
Psychophysics of Music 2nd ed. (New York: Springer-Verlag, 
1975), 146.
 
8 (The angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.) 
The sound reflected by large flat surfaces of sound shields 
produces the most obvious and disruptive effects.
 
9 It is an interesting to notes that the use of 'click track' 
in the recording studio is nearly an absolute necessity for 
accurate rhythm in a recording. The use of a 'click track' 
is an art in itself, and is only effective if it is 
provided to the players at a rather high volume since it 
must compete with their own direct sound (provided them 
via headphones) and their own sound via bone conduction 
(present because they are wearing the headphones).  
 
10 Barry Leshowitz, Measurement of the Two-Click Threshold, 
(The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America: Vol. 49, 
No. 2 (part 2), February 1971), 462.    
 
11 Jens Blauert, Spatial Hearing: The Psychophysics of Human 
Sound Localization, (Cambridge, Massachusetts: The MIT Press, 
983), 230-231. 
 
12 Charles K. Friedberg, Diseases of the Heart, Vol. I, 3rd 
ed. (Philadelphia and London: W. B. Saunders Company, 1966), 77. 
 
13 Murray Campbell and Clive Greated, The Musician's Guide 
to Acoustics (New York: Schirmer Books, 1987), 112.
 
14 A wide array of interesting topics is involved. The masking 
effect of complex tones pitched at intervals above the general 
tessitura of the trombone section greatly affects the volume 
at which we must play some passages in order to be in balance 
with the rest of the orchestra.
 
15 It is interesting to know just how sensitive the ear is. 
Under laboratory conditions Leshowitz demonstrated in 1971 
that we can discriminate clicks which are separated by as little 
as 10 microseconds. In 1976 Green demonstrated that we can hear 
sounds which displace the eardrum by as little as 10-11 meters, 
one hundredth of the diameter of a hydrogen atom! 
 
16 Juan G. Roederer, Introduction to the Physics and 
Psychophysics of Music 2nd ed. (New York: Springer-Verlag, 
1975), 48-53.   


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