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Hi guys, with all this other discussion, I thought I would put my two cents worth in. >From my opinion, it doesn't matter at all how much or how little vibrato is played, as long as the result is *musical*. You can talk all you want about the various technical differences in speed and width and the various cultural differences across the pond in reaction to vibrato playing, but when it comes down to it, the end result of the music is what matters. It is a fair comment to ask why violinists use vibrato and orchestral trumpet players don't. The only reason I can think of, is that there are so many violins which can't have exact tuning, that the vibrato will cover the slight inaccuracies and produce a warm sound rather like the detuned strings on a piano. A famous trumpet player in Australia, Norm Harris (Principal with the Daly-Wilson Big Band) took a combined brass band in Tasmania and made an interesting comment on the subject. He said "When you are playing a solo passage, you can work as much or as little vibrato in the music as you like, but when playing tutti, play as straight as possible and let the tuning be as close as you can." On the orchestral side of things this also appears to be true. Listening to Wynton Marsalis or Christian Lindberg (a trombone player Mr. Morgan!), they will often use vibrato to shape a note in solos. Even Adolph Herseth in Orchestral works like Scriabin's Poem de Extas=E9 will use vibrato to shape a passage, albeit a very shallow and slow vibrato. However in all cases with good orchestras when you get a bunch of trumpets (is that the correct collective noun?) playing at full bore, you won't hear a waver in tone amongst them. Particularly in orchestras where the trumpet has such a penetrating and dominant role over the naturally softer instruments, a cross vibrato would sound very awkward. Another point about ensemble vibrato, strings can better synchronise their vibrato because theirs is so visible, whereas brass players achieve the same by a variety of methods, generally the less visible the better. The type of vibrato that in my opinion is ugly, is the uncontrolled "I'm playing a note so I start my vibrato" type of sound. Players who place equal vibrato right the way through a note under all circumstances (including tuning notes) to me are just not thinking about what they are doing. We have a player in our band that has one of the sweetest cornet sounds I have heard, but he tends to spoil the sound by putting automatic vibrato all through the note even during tuning. Players who learn at the very earliest age to play with vibrato have the problem of knowing how to turn it off, while others need to learn how to turn it on, and both need to learn how to use it musically. Now I have written this thesis on vibrato I can rest, but I thought that people had been a bit parochial on the subject without trying to find a reasonable middle ground. Thanks for listening. On a related note, at the Australian National Championship Gala Concert, we were able to hear Philip McCann. I have to agree with Gregor Spowart, that while technically competent, the performance was quite flat and did not project well in to audience. It may have been an environment thing and he had also been adjudicating A grade own choice all day, but I had expected great things from this man. Perhaps he has made too many of those "World's Most Beloved Cornet Melodies" albums :). Rolf Miezitis[PARA]Manager ITU Hobart[PARA]Phone: (03) 6235 7300[PARA]Fax: (03) 6235 7258[PARA]Mobile: (015) 488 866[PARA]E-Mail: Rolf.Miezitis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[PARA]"hey-ya la la.....hey" - Homer Simpson -- unsubscribe or receive the list in digest form, mail a message of 'help' to listserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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