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Re: Baritone/Baritone - alto cornet?

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Subject: Re: Baritone/Baritone - alto cornet?
From: Alastair Wheeler <alastair.wheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:17:13 +0000 (GMT)
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On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Graham Young wrote:

> On 19-Feb-97, Alastair Wheeler wrote:
> >On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Graham Young wrote:
> 
> 
> > One of those turn-of-the-century editions that have been mutilated by 
> >editors probably.  From memory, I am not sure if there are any trumpets 
> >in the work.  (it is an unusual ensemble, no high winds and two basset 
> >horns are needed)
> 
> Yes there are two trumpets.BIg 2nd trombone solo in the tuba mirum

Opinion differs as to its artistic merits (see the Forsythe 
orchestration) and the legato is hard.

> >> These parts lie quite high and it is hard to find 
> >> an alto trombone. In Beethoven 6 the alto trombone is pitched 
> >> above the 1st trumpet at one point. 
> 
> >In the 5th, the alto has a top concert F after two bars rest, a 4th above 
> >the 1st trumpet.  Fun, if that's your sort of thing.
> 
> When played with a real alto trombone the sound is incredible,

Thanks :-)  Almost as fun as obliterating the orchestra on Bass... you 
just sail over the top on alto, with the tenor supporting an octave lower.

> Keep in moind that the length of tubing on an alto trombone
> is SHORTER than the length of natural trumpet in C.

I hadn't thought of this.  Still, it tends to shake them up a little.  Do 
you know Mendlesohn's Ruy Blas overture?  The alto solo was cued in the 
second trumpet part.  He survived for two notes.....

> >>  Perhaps they mistook the alto(tenor) horn in Eb
> 
> >What would a tenor horn be doing in an orchestra? :-)
> 
> >(especially 50 years before it was invented!)
> 
> Obviously the that part was used IN PLACE of the alto trombone.
> and the part probably copied into the treble clef as not many
> Eb horn players read the alto clef of the original part.

I must confess, I shifted alto clef down a note and read as Eb treble 
when I used an alto.

> 
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> 
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