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Re: Adjudication correct?

Ron Grice wrote:

> Well! Well! Well!
> Call out the cavalry,
> Circle the waggons.
>
> Has someone from the antibities dared to call into question remarkes made
> by our northern brothers.
>
> Just a couple of observations, I wonder why two very well respected
> musicians in two different areas came to the same conclusion that the
> grazioso section would be the telling point in deciding the winning bands.

Maybe very true Ron, but I'm sure you would agree that it shouldn't be the sole
point.

> Are you not being a little contradictary in your second paragraph ,last
> sentance i.e." that technical quality was more important than musical
> quality"  in view of both adjudicators remarks re the grazioso section.
>
> I was also ammused to read that every musical composition is supposed to
> tell a story. Without the benefit of either the title or the composers
> notes you would get as many variations on "the musical tale" as you had
> listeners.

IMHO a piece of music depicts a type of atmosphere.........however, individuals
will paint different pictures. In other words, lots of peopls could have many
pictures but they could all be placed in the same category.

> As to you convincing yourself that if you had won the result would still
> have been unfair ,in all my years of banding i've never seen a band return
> the trophy because they didn't agree with the result,in fact not a peep
> would  be heard.

True - but I have to be honest here Ron. I have made it very clear on
particular occasions that we should NOT have won, when we actually did. I have
personally apologised to fellow bandsmen from other bands. Not only when we've
won (seemingly undeservedly) but also when we've been placed highly.

Two particular instances spring to mind. Journey into Freedom - Area 1990ish???

Cambridge 2 or 3 years ago - we were second and didn't deserve that.

> Then we had the conductor of Ucfield Conert Brass playing that particular
> section well below the minimum mark "but for us it worked",it dose'nt sound
> like the adjudicator agreed,and in a contest  its usually his opinion that
> counts.
>
> On a lighter note  how can a Bass Trombone player tell anyone they don't
> know what their talking about, (sorry Monkey).

Hehehehehe.............good job I know you Ron!

Monkey


> It also seems that the only enjoyable thing about contesting is the time
> spent in the bar, and I think Norm would even agree with that.
>
> Cheers for now,
>
> Ron Grice
> M.D.Waratah Mayfield Brass.
> Still No 2 in Australia
> Top section
>
> ----------
> > From: Krismleech <Krismleech@xxxxxxx>
> > To: brass-band@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Adjudication correct?
> > Date: 10 March 1998 10:50
> >
> > Concerning the recent area contest for the Midlands area, First Section
> > Contest, performing Purcell Variations...
> >
> > James Scott adjudicated the section at Nottingham, and it may seem that
> his
> > views, and resulting allocation of points, were very narrow minded. Upon
> > receiving our results (which coincidentally were not very pleasing, but I
> have
> > convinced myself I would claim an unfair result even if we had won) we
> were/I
> > was dismayed and fairly disgusted to learn that the only factor that Mr.
> Scott
> > was interested in was the quality and interpretation of the Allegretto
> > Grazioso movement, primarily featuring a beautiful horn duet. The rest of
> the
> > piece was apparently discarded in his eyes, and this, in my opinion, is a
> > musical blasphemy. The whole piece, no matter what piece you take as an
> > example, is supposed to tell a story: a musical tale; and taking one part
> > disjointed from the other movements is ruining this concept.
> >
> > May I say that one of the top four bands played the Andante con espress
> > (Cornet solo movement) with absolutely no feeling or emotion whatsoever,
> and
> > any 'musical' listener I spoke to agreed that this, and their similar
> > treatment of the majority of the piece, should have gained them a lowly
> > position. Am I wrong or is technical quality more important nowadays than
> a
> > musical quality?
> >
> > Also, I found it interesting that Langley Band changed their conductor at
> the
> > last minute, resulting in their usual conductor, who is also a cracking
> horn
> > player, sitting in the horn seat. Was this because they got word of James
> > Scott's judging criteria?    :)
> >
> > Alan Hope, adjudicator of the 2nd Section, said that he was hoping to
> hear a
> > story told throughout the piece of Culloden Moor, and the winning band
> did
> > this. Surely this is a much more appropriate way to judge a contest than
> that
> > which James chose. Obviously adjudication will always be partly down to
> > personal interpretation, but if you don't even listen to 5/6ths of the
> piece
> > then you cannot even begin to judge it fairly.
> >
> > Any comments, or am I just being a sore loser? Sorry, I don't mean to be,
> but
> > it gets right on my tits when this apparently mindless judging occurs
> >
> > :)   :)   :)   :)
> >
> > Kris Leech, Shirley Band, Birmingham, UK.
> >
> >
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