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Re: alternative instrument for a horn player

Adrian Drover wrote:

> On 19 Apr, Tony Lashmar <cornet@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > > And while I'm in my asbestos suit, why not dump 5 of the Bb cornets
> > > > in favour of 4 trumpets and an extra flugelhorn.
>
> > Do we really have to answer this question????????
>
> > > However I was at a brass band concert recently where the soprano used a
> > > trumpet. He blended well, had the right characteristic sound and was
> > > much more comfortable on the trumpet than many sops are.
>
> > That's ok....Sop is in it's own world anyway!!!!!
>
> Hmm. So you are dead against swapping a few of the multitude of Bb cornets
> for trumpets, but you don't mind losing the one and only soprano cornet? I
> would have thought that the soprano was invaluable for the purpose of
> helping out the Bbs on the high notes and doubling their line in the
> octave above. I don't think this is a job for the trumpet. In my vision of
> the band, the cornets would still reign supreme.

Maybe I wasn't being clear....I meant that a sop player may choose to use an Eb
Trumpet.  Considering that many sop players use shallow and C cup mouthmieces
to help with the high ones, I don't think with many players It would maka that
big a difference.  I must say though that there is no substitite for a GOOD
soprano cornet palyer on a GOOD soprano cornet!!!!

> > If you want....but Flugel is a HORN, not a cornet and definately not a
> > trumpet and should be approached as a Horn or it sounds terrible!!!!!!
>
> No, wrong! The cornet is a horn. The flugel is a tuba (soprano tuba), just
> as are the euphoniums (tenor tubas). It should be approached as a tuba, or
> it sounds terrible.

hmmmm.....I don't know about that one?!?!?!....more information please!!!!!

> If there were 2 flugels in the band they could team up
> with the 2 euphs to make another wonderful middle band section, in
> contrast to the horns.

Yes I agree..but you would also have to deal with the intonation problems that
seem to hound the various color instruments in the band (sop, flg,
Btrom).....multiplied by 2.

> More's the pity that there are no Eb alto flugels
> to fill the gap.

hmmmm.......Eb mellophone maybe    (--:

> > If you want to hear more than one flugel in a Brass band work......check>
> out 'Dances and Arias' by Gregson.......TWO flugels are required for> that
> work!!!!

> Quite right too!
>
> > > > Then, why not employ a 4th player to complete the trombone team?
>
> > Many bands do!!!!!! (Just like a symphony orchestra would emplay a
> > bumper 5th horn to strengthen a tiring first horn)
>
> I'm not talking about adding another trombone just for the purpose of
> helping out the lead player. I had more in mind the possibility of writing
> 4 part voicings with pure trombone tone.
>

I see what you mean..........and trom quatrtets do sound really good....but I
am led to believe that the trombone section is the most connected to an
orchestra section in the band.  This is because many (very) old parts were
written in tenor clef for 1st & 2nd with the 3rd in bass clef...........quite
similar to an orchestra!!!!!........and orcheatras genrally only have 3 bones
too!!!
(just a few thought on this one from a non-trombone player)

Cheers

Tony


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