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RE: Necessity of a 4th trombone, also baritone scoring

Adrian,
	What do you mean "the baritone has always been an obstacle" ?

I used to like your arrangements until you said that !! (only joking)

The baritone is a wonderfule instrument with a beautiful mellow sound (most
of the time) without being quite as overpowering as the euphonium.
Come on - how about a "real" baritone solo (ie. not just a euph one played
on a baritone).

Cheers
Steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Drover [mailto:saxhorn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 18 May 1998 10:39
> To: brass-band@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Necessity of a 4th trombone, also baritone scoring
>
>
> On 16 May, Alastair Wheeler <alastair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Yes, the baritones are useful as a pair, but most scoring uses them in
> > conjunction with other section, ie splitting the 2nd off as a 4th horn
> > whilst the 1st doubles euph or solos at the 8vb.
>
> The baritones have always been an obstacle for me. The most sensible thing
> (to me anyway) is to combine them with the tenors to make a horn quintet.
> I would be much happier with one bari less and one trombone more. With
> this in mind I sometimes split them so that one plays as a 4th horn and
> the other as a 3rd trombone, which is one (nowhere perfect) way of
> simulating a trombone quartet.
>
> > Whilst vaguely on the subject, what are people views on the modern
> > scoring of B1/H2/B2 for a low horn trio?
>
> That is ideal if you want the baritone sound to predominate, so long as
> you keep the tenor clear of those awkward 1+3 valve combinations, and I
> think better than combining baris and euphs. I often dovetail the tenors
> and baris in a H1-B1-H2-B2 voicing. The solo horn would either be resting,
> or doubling the cornet line, or playing the top line of the horn quintet
> with similar dovetailing.
>
> A similar voicing to this is occasionally used in the big band to give the
> tenor sax the lead, ie, T1-A2-T2-bari (A1 tacet).
>
> > (+)  Do any other bass trombonists out there dislike playing the 5th
> > above the bass in the low register?  I always find it hard to balance,
> > and don't like the way the tone is supported only by the basses.  I'd
> > rather swap with an Eb, then you get more of a ring to the sound... just
> > don't like the scoring, I suppose.
>
> I'm sure that every bass 'bonist would rather play the bass note (root) in
> preference to the 5th. When the low 5th is required, dividing the tubas
> works well, though more weight should be given to the root, ie, a 1-3
> divisi is better than 2-2. The 2nd euph is also useful for supplying the
> low 5th.
>
> Hey Alistair, I think we are beginning to agree on more things now. This
> won't do. Disagreement is much more fun ;-)
>
> Adrian
>
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