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If you have read the latest issue of the bandsman, you'll have noticed a couple of articals on City of Oxford, and our disqualification at the area contest in Basildon. Whilst the band is probably going to get Cameron or me to post an official statement to the list and put a copy on the webpage (http://www.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~cmabon/COSB.html if memory serves) I thought I'd post my own thoughts and the facts as I see them. So, disclaimer, this post doesn't nessecarily represent the views of the band as an organisation. Just before we were due to go on stage at Basildon (this was the 15th of March, I think) we noticed to our horror that one of our players name did not appear on the signature form. We were informed we effectivly had 3 options: withdraw, play without said player, or play as we had rehearsed and face disqualification. We chose the 3rd option, the band philosophy being that we had worked as a team so we were going to 'field' the same team. Nigel Taken, our MD, negotiated for about 40 minutes with the organisers that we would not have our disqualification announced on the day, and things would be kept reasonably quiet pending an appeal. The band played under considerable pressure, and came second. Joanne Henderson once more picked up the best soloist award, despite being our band secretary who admits to making the error. You may remember that James Scott, adjudactaing, commented along the lines of 'there were three good performances, but two stood out' (in case you didn't know, City Band won the 1st section area last year. I believe the highest any other newly promoted 1st section band came was 4th, Glossop band in the Midland are) The error came about in the following way: The signature form, which is a list of players that 'to the best of the band secretary's knowledge' could possibly include members who would not be on stage. [It is also possible that in this occasion that the form did not have to be signed by the players themselves prior to the concert, but I am unsure of this] Jo therefore got out her pile of cards and wrote them all down on the form, ommiting Dave Smith as she didn't have to check players against positions. Jo didn't have Dave's card for one of 2 reasons I think, either he was getting a new card, or a band had borrowed him and not returned his card. * What a stupid system - why not just send off to the registry for a list of player? far easier, and more accurate. * Dave has been registered with the band for 5 years, I believe. He has played timps in every contest I have played in since I joined in summer '96. * Jo was asked if she could have missed her own name off, and said no, as her card would be on top of the pile as principal :) A week ago, Saturday the 16th, Nigel, Jo and Steve Henderson (bandmaster) presented our case to the L+SC committee. This was, in essence, that we had not intened to 'cheat' in any way, did not gain in doing so, and did not breach the spirit of the rules. The committee heard their half-hour presentation in silence, then after brief deliberation rejected the appeal, though accepted there was no intention to cheat/deceive on our part. The grounds were that if the rules about not adding players to a signature form were not obeyed bands such as Hendon and Staines who withdrew for lack of players may have been able to compete. * actually, we broke 'the rules as they are understood.' There is nowhere in the rules which says 'thou shalt not add players to the signature form' * In fact, in the '95 areas, City Band did just that. One of our bass players was ill two weeks before the contest, and the NCC was contacted for permision to add a player, and aggreed. Steve, in conversation with a representative of the NCC who denied that this could ever happen recieved a 'no comment' when he presented this solid evidence. * At least 4 members of the L+SC committee could be said to have vested interests in a poor result for City Band. Our two local representatives, who incidentally didn't contact us before the appeal, are both associated with Morrells Concert Brass (Kidlington), our local rivals. John Underwood is subscribed to this list, the other is Ken Membury. Also on the committee was a man connected with Redbridge (who go to the RAH if we don't) and a man from Hendon. * Ken Membury told a local band shortly after Basildon that 'City of Oxford were caught blatantly cheating, trying to sneak an unregistered player onto the stage' blatant cheating = honest mistake sneak = in full view of the organisers unregistered = joke. Ken had had the situation explained to him, I believe he also knows Dave. * Hendon's interest was that disqualification would put us in the second relegation position instead of them. This was in fact the second case we had to put to the L+SC committee, after the appeal against disqualification. In the actual event, we did not have to do this, and will not be relegated. (though we have to achieve good results at the areas for the next couple of years) This decision was made before our appeal was heard, and must have been made in the light of us being expected to fail. The situation could be described as a 'Kangaroo court' * Credit to the rep from Redbridge for absenting himself from the room after the presentation. However, if they had already disscussed the matter... * I believe either said rep from Redbridge or Ken M. admited afterwards to the effect that we they had already decided, and we may as well have stayed at home and watched the football. This was done 'off the record' and is now denied. * It may interest you to know that we are aware of another registration form violation, an unsigned players name on the form (presumably without their permission) and I suspect the band involved would be most surprised and displeased if this was pointed out to them. Not meant as a 'low point' to the detriment of that band, but people who live in glass houses.... I think that's all my comments, the band is taking this to the NCC, even trying to convene an emergency meeting. Prospects look down there though, even though we know we have support there, as a favourable result would in effect be a vote of no confidence in the L+SC committee. If that fails, as it says in the bandsman we are considering taking legal advice (there appears to be a large body of law relevent to fair play in amateur organisations) Many people (several of them from this list) have given votes of support to the band, and expressed their amazment at the situation. Any further comments would be most welcome, whether to the list or to Cameron or me personally. This is bound to be a big talking point in Cambridge tomorrow, I'm sure I'll meet many of you there. Bonus points for recognising me from my left hand! (I appear to have a BBb bass in front of my face) If you want to know, Cameron doesn't need a chair, and Dave Read should be obvious. Actually, Cameron won't be there, best of luck for his finals which start on Monday. Best of luck also to all the bands competing tomorrow, I'll be seeing you in the pub. -- Alastair Wheeler Euphonium & Trombone Fundamental Brass Bass Trombone City of Oxford Brass Band alastair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~alastair "I am following my fish" -- unsubscribe or receive the list in digest form, mail a message of 'help' to listserver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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