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Re: 1998 All England Masters



Yyou asked for comments Tim...

Seems to me that once again, there is likely to be much post contest
discussion. And maybe rightly so. This 'new tack' certainly through up it's own
controversies. What can we say about Mr Brand..........? Did he really think he
would be that far off the mark of the other two before he started? Is he adrift
of anding in the 90's or is he simply looking for something else? Maybe he's
right and the other two are wrong? (I doubt that but you never know!)

At the end of the day I thikn this is a good system. Surely the 'good
adjudicator' will show through if this system is perseverd with. (If of course
there is such a species!)

Still beats me though how a band can be placed 1st by two and 13th by another?

Still contesting was never really clear to me I suppose!

Thanks for the detailed results anyway - well done!

Monkey


Tim Morgan wrote:

> I originally posted this last night as soon as I got home, but it got
> lost somewhere along the line.  I know we all know the result, but I've
> also included the three adjudications and all the tie break positions.
> The adjudicators gave gave each band a ranking, the three positions were
> added and lowest score won.  This list also shows the three situations
> where the tie break rule came in (two bands tied for 8th, two for 13th,
> 3 for 17th)
>
> OK, here goes...this is going to take me ages...I hope nobody beats me
> to it...here are the full results from this year's All England Masters
> Championship in Cambridge, including a full breakdown of the placings
> given by each of the three adjudicators.  The test piece was 'Dances and
> Arias' by Edward Gregson.
>
> GB = Geoffrey Brand
> EC = Eric Crees
> WR = William Relton
> T = Total
> P = Position
> TB/FP = Tie Break/Final Position
>
> BAND	    DRAW    GB      EC      WR      T       P       TB/FP
>
> Brighouse       9       3       2       4       9       1       1
>
> Faireys	 16      2       7       2       11      2       2
>
> Leyland	 21      7       3       3       13      3       3
>
> YBS	     20      13      1       1       15      4       4
>
> Rothwell	8       6       4       6       16      5       5
>
> Fodens	  1       9       5       5       19      6       6
>
> GUS	     14      5       9       13      27      7       7
>
> Ever Ready      10      15      6       8       29      8=      8
>
> Sovereign       15      12      8       9       29      8=      9
>
> Aveley	  17      4       13      4       31      10      10
>
> Sellers	 7       20      10      7       37      11      11
>
> Ransomes	4       1       20      17      38      12      12
>
> EYMS	    6       18      11      11=     40      13=     13
>
> Wingates	19      17      12      11=     40      13=     14
>
> SWT Woodfalls   5       16      16      10      42      15      15
>
> Yorkshire Imps  18      11      17      15      43      16      16
>
> Besses	  13      14      14      16      44      17=     17
>
> Redbridge       12      10      15      19      44      17=     18
>
> Bodmin	  11      8       18      18      44      17=     19
>
> Flowers	 2       19      19      20      58      20      20
>
> Rhodian	 3       21      21      21      63      21      21
>
> So there you go...a band who didn't give the best performance in the
> eyes of any of the three adjudicators won the contest.  Some of the
> ranges of marks are unbelievable...look at Ransomes.  One clear thing
> you can see from this is how different Geoffrey Brand's results
> are...make your own conclusions from this. :)  I don't expect he's
> flavour of the month in the YBS camp though...
>
> As for us, as rank outsiders (the lowest ranked band at the contest), we
> were ecastatic with 9th (well, actually joint 8th, but we came off worse
> in the new tie break rule)  Looking at the spread of marks in the three
> tie breaks, it appears that Eric Crees was the 'chosen' adjudicator.
>
> Any comments?  Opinions?  Good thing?  Bad thing? (I'm just waiting to
> see how the brass band list hardcore are going to fit vibrato and french
> horns into this thread)
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Tim Morgan, Bass Trombone, Woolley Pritchard Sovereign Brass.
> http://www.fylde.demon.co.uk/sov/sov.htm
>
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