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Re: Debate on Masters results

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> From: Alec Gallagher <alec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Brass Band Mailing List <brass-band@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Debate on Masters results
> Date: 26 May 1998 20:38
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JEREMY P WISE <jeremy.wise@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: brass-band@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <brass-band@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 26 May 1998 05:37
> Subject: Re: Debate on Masters results
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> 
> >----------
Alec
Some people set out in life to be different/obtuse for the sake of it!! I
suspect that Geoffrey Brand is one of them, and I have the feeling that you
and I will never agree on anything. 

 I would never say that Grimethorpe Aria is rubbish. I have listened to it
and saw it performed live at the QE Hall. I don't like it but I would never
dream of questioning it's worth or the right of others to feel differently.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that you probably like Songs for B.L.

I have made some specific comments below.

Regards 

Jeremy


> >> It never ceases to amaze me that perfectly intelligent people can
> >> nevertheless fail to grasp the idea that opinions are not facts. For
> >> example:
> >>
> >No one has stated anything as being fact. Merely our opinions.
> 
> OK, this statement is itself factually correct.  But there is the *very*
> strong implication in what you (and many others) say that an opinion
shared
> by a majority is 'de facto' and should be regarded as the norm, while
> minority opinions are in some way 'unusual' or 'funny', and consequently
> less valid.  All opinions are equally valid.  The only thing which
> differentiates them is how much other people like or dislike them.  This
is
> why sports which rely on opinions for a result, instead of clearly
defined
> objectives like goals or wickets, have such a constant hullabaloo
> surrounding them.
> 
> >There has to be some form of consensus somewhere in competitiveness
> otherwise there will be no base from which to judge anything.
> 
> The 'base' from which things are normally judged in any sport is the rule
> book.  And here lies the problem.  Adjudicators do not have a rule book,
and
> for a very good reason - it would be impossible to write.  There can be
no
> rules for differentiating between musical performances; no rights or
wrongs,
> just opinions.

I would suggest that it is accepted  that a band that plays all of the
music together, in tune, with good soloists is better than one that has
loose ensemble, poor tuning and poor soloists. This forms the outline of a
basis for adjudication and in the event of two performances of equal
technical and musical merit a personal preference for style or
interpretation can be applied . If one takes your argument to it's ultimate
conclusion an adjudicator placing a poor 4th section band in front of Dyke
because he prefers the interpretation would be justified.

> >> There is no such thing as a 'funny' opinion.  Just a different one.
> 
> >Two "Musicians"!? sat two feet apart placing the same band 1st and 20th
is
> >funny, (peculiar) but not haha, by any standards.
> 
> Sorry, but I can't agree that this is in any way 'funny'.  At the risk of
> repeating myself ad nauseam, it is entirely a matter of an individual's
> opinion, and all opinions are valid.  And in the absence of any Rules for
> Adjudicators, opinions are all that judgements can be made on.  Let me
> hasten to add that I am not for one moment suggesting that any such rules
> are introduced - that really would be the pits!
> 
I accept the basis of your arguments generally but must say that I do not
see that they have a practical application in contesting. If this form of
judging and result becomes the norm there will be chaos and a rapid
disappearance of many of the bands affected.

Jeremy
>.co.uk.


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