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Re: Musical snobbery (was Re: Songs for BL)

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Subject: Re: Musical snobbery (was Re: Songs for BL)
From: D.LANCASTER@xxxxxxxxxxxx 15 Jun 98 13:26:30 GMT
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:26:20 GMT
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Alec Gallagher wrote:

> >> D.LANCASTER@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> I enjoy Grimethorpe Aria not because it is
> >clever - it is a fairly straightforward statement in many respects -
> >I simply enjoy the sounds.
> 
> As Sir Thomas Beecham said: 'The English may not like music, but they
> absolutely love the noise it makes'.  Mind you, he also said 'brass bands
> are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away'.

He said worse things about harpsichords!

> >Actually I perform 4'33" every year with my first year students!  It may
> >not be everyone's cup of tea but at least it makes them ask the question
> >for themselves: 'is this music and if not, why not?'  Sometimes it
> >works really well!!!   ( And isn't it interesting that Eric Ball borrowed
> >small sections of it to use in Resurgam...).
> 
> This is a quite disgraceful slur.  How could Ball have plagiarised Cage's
> work when Resurgam was written in 1950, and 4'33" written in 1952?  Answer
> that.

Well, John Cage believed in reincanation and Eric Ball was a 
spiritualist...  But seriously my clumsy attempt at irony must
have sidestepped you and I apologise if it caused offence.  The idea 
of Eric Ball being secretly influenced by John Cage made me smile.  
My slurring has always been disgraceful.

>  > by his own admission BL was more of a personal statement.
> 
> Did we ever establish who or what the eponymous BL was?  Mr B L Zeebub,
> perhaps?

Not to my knowledge.  The only musical BL I can think of is Brenda 
Lucas, pianist and widow of John Ogden, who was of course a fellow 
student of Elgar Howarth.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Alec
> 
Reciprocated

David


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