Yuk Yuk Conducting some Brass Bands is still like you described it when you tried conducting. " like taking a dead dog for a walk" They bury their heads in the notes and miss the music. I think I'll stick to soprano. Graham Young Sales Manager Memex Electronics E-Manufacturing Networks Inc 1-800-563-6369 Ext. 22 (905)332-7717 Ext. 22 fax(905)332-6353 grahamy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.e-manufacturing.com --